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	<title>Comments on: Monthly Gleanings: October 2010</title>
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		<title>By: OUPblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monthly Gleanings: November 2010</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2010/10/oct-2010/#comment-212080</link>
		<dc:creator>OUPblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monthly Gleanings: November 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and to Michael Quinion, who grappled with dilemna long before me, came to similar conclusions, and cited 18th-century examples of this horrific spelling. It seems to be ineradicable, and the sad thing is that some teachers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and to Michael Quinion, who grappled with dilemna long before me, came to similar conclusions, and cited 18th-century examples of this horrific spelling. It seems to be ineradicable, and the sad thing is that some teachers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Goranson</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2010/10/oct-2010/#comment-185250</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Goranson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps consider this 1662 quote, from Rump, or, An exact collection of the choycest poems and songs relating to the late times, Alexander Brome (London) p.163:
That it may please thee to suppose
Our actions are as good as those
That gull the People through the Nose
http://tinyurl.com/2w6gpkw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps consider this 1662 quote, from Rump, or, An exact collection of the choycest poems and songs relating to the late times, Alexander Brome (London) p.163:<br />
That it may please thee to suppose<br />
Our actions are as good as those<br />
That gull the People through the Nose<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2w6gpkw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2w6gpkw</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2010/10/oct-2010/#comment-184932</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also impressed at the notion of an early-nineteenth-century edition of Suetonius for juveniles, a book which contains paragraphs like this:

Pudicitiae neque suae neque alienae pepercit. M. Lepidum, Mnesterem pantomimum, quosdam obsides dilexisse fertur commercio mutui stupri. Valerius Catullus, consulari familia iuuenis, stupratum a se ac latera sibi contubernio eius defessa etiam uociferatus est. Super sororum incesta et notissimum prostitutae Pyrallidis amorem non temere ulla inlustriore femina abstinuit.  Quas plerumque cum maritis ad cenam vocatas praeterque pedes suos transeuntis diligenter ac lente mercantium more considerabat, etiam faciem manu adlevans, si quae pudore submitterent; quotiens deinde libuisset egressus triclinio, cum maxime placitam sevocasset, paulo post recentibus adhuc lasciviae notis reversus vel laudabat palam vel vituperabat, singula enumerans bona malave corporis atque concubitus. Quibusdam absentium maritorum nomine repudium ipse misit iussitque in acta ita referri.

Which Robert Graves put into the vulgar tongue thus:

He had not the slightest regard for chastity, either his own or others&#039;, and was accused of homosexual relations, both active and passive, with Marcus Lepidus, also with Mnester the actor, and various foreign hostages; moreover, a young man of consular family, Valerius Catullus, revealed publicly that he had enjoyed the Emperor, and that they quite wore one another out in the process. Besides incest with his sisters, and a notorious passion for the prostitute Pyrallis, he made advances to almost every well-known married woman in Rome; after inviting a selection of them to dinner with their husbands he would slowly and carefully examine each in turn while they passed his couch, as a purchaser might assess the value of a slave, and even stretch out his hand and lift up the chin of any woman who kept her eyes modestly cast down. Then, whenever he felt so inclined, he would send for whoever pleased him best, and leave the banquet in her company. A little later he would return, showing obvious signs of what he had been about, and openly discuss his bed-fellow in detail, dwelling on her good and bad physical points and criticizing her sexual performance. To some of these unfortunates he issued, and publicly registered, divorces in the name of their absent husbands.

Of course, perhaps such sections were just left out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also impressed at the notion of an early-nineteenth-century edition of Suetonius for juveniles, a book which contains paragraphs like this:</p>
<p>Pudicitiae neque suae neque alienae pepercit. M. Lepidum, Mnesterem pantomimum, quosdam obsides dilexisse fertur commercio mutui stupri. Valerius Catullus, consulari familia iuuenis, stupratum a se ac latera sibi contubernio eius defessa etiam uociferatus est. Super sororum incesta et notissimum prostitutae Pyrallidis amorem non temere ulla inlustriore femina abstinuit.  Quas plerumque cum maritis ad cenam vocatas praeterque pedes suos transeuntis diligenter ac lente mercantium more considerabat, etiam faciem manu adlevans, si quae pudore submitterent; quotiens deinde libuisset egressus triclinio, cum maxime placitam sevocasset, paulo post recentibus adhuc lasciviae notis reversus vel laudabat palam vel vituperabat, singula enumerans bona malave corporis atque concubitus. Quibusdam absentium maritorum nomine repudium ipse misit iussitque in acta ita referri.</p>
<p>Which Robert Graves put into the vulgar tongue thus:</p>
<p>He had not the slightest regard for chastity, either his own or others&#8217;, and was accused of homosexual relations, both active and passive, with Marcus Lepidus, also with Mnester the actor, and various foreign hostages; moreover, a young man of consular family, Valerius Catullus, revealed publicly that he had enjoyed the Emperor, and that they quite wore one another out in the process. Besides incest with his sisters, and a notorious passion for the prostitute Pyrallis, he made advances to almost every well-known married woman in Rome; after inviting a selection of them to dinner with their husbands he would slowly and carefully examine each in turn while they passed his couch, as a purchaser might assess the value of a slave, and even stretch out his hand and lift up the chin of any woman who kept her eyes modestly cast down. Then, whenever he felt so inclined, he would send for whoever pleased him best, and leave the banquet in her company. A little later he would return, showing obvious signs of what he had been about, and openly discuss his bed-fellow in detail, dwelling on her good and bad physical points and criticizing her sexual performance. To some of these unfortunates he issued, and publicly registered, divorces in the name of their absent husbands.</p>
<p>Of course, perhaps such sections were just left out.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2010/10/oct-2010/#comment-184906</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I pointed out on an earlier post, &lt;i&gt;one in six Americans&lt;/i&gt; refers to about fifty million people distributively, an amount eminently justifying plural agreement.

Would you be just as unhappy if your students qualified themselves with &lt;i&gt;if you will&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;as it were&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;as a matter of fact&lt;/i&gt;, along with other such &quot;adult&quot; hedges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I pointed out on an earlier post, <i>one in six Americans</i> refers to about fifty million people distributively, an amount eminently justifying plural agreement.</p>
<p>Would you be just as unhappy if your students qualified themselves with <i>if you will</i>, <i>as it were</i>, and <i>as a matter of fact</i>, along with other such &#8220;adult&#8221; hedges?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Quinion</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2010/10/oct-2010/#comment-184878</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Quinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might care to glance at my piece about the &quot;dilemna&quot; spelling (http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dil1.htm). That includes several examples from the eighteenth century, as well as anecdotal reports that it was enforced by teachers at one time, at least in the USA. I am as puzzled by its existence and persistance as you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might care to glance at my piece about the &#8220;dilemna&#8221; spelling (<a href="http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dil1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dil1.htm</a>). That includes several examples from the eighteenth century, as well as anecdotal reports that it was enforced by teachers at one time, at least in the USA. I am as puzzled by its existence and persistance as you.</p>
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