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	<title>Comments on: Monthly Gleanings: November 2009</title>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dental &gt; alveolar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dental &gt; alveolar</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;begorrah&quot; is pure stage-Irish. Less artificial examples of rhotacized dental stops would be: Dublin &quot;shurrup&quot; for &quot;shut up&quot;; or Scouse &quot;a lorra&quot; for &quot;a lot of&quot;, as in Cilla Black&#039;s catchphrase &quot;we&#039;re gonna have a lorra lorra laughs&quot;.

&quot;the incontestable fact that proof here means “test,” as in the maxim exception proves the rule&quot; -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&#039;s article on &quot;Exception that proves the rule&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, citing Fowler, traces it to &lt;i&gt;exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis&lt;/i&gt; (&quot;the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;begorrah&#8221; is pure stage-Irish. Less artificial examples of rhotacized dental stops would be: Dublin &#8220;shurrup&#8221; for &#8220;shut up&#8221;; or Scouse &#8220;a lorra&#8221; for &#8220;a lot of&#8221;, as in Cilla Black&#8217;s catchphrase &#8220;we&#8217;re gonna have a lorra lorra laughs&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;the incontestable fact that proof here means “test,” as in the maxim exception proves the rule&#8221; &#8212; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia&#8217;s article on &#8220;Exception that proves the rule&#8221;</a>, citing Fowler, traces it to <i>exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis</i> (&#8220;the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Exceptio probat regulam&lt;/i&gt; certainly does not mean, or did not originally mean, &#039;the exception tests the rule&#039;.  Rather it was and is a maxim of legal interpretation, meaning &#039;evidence of the existence of an exception is evidence for the existence of a rule not (or no longer) extant.&#039;  The phrase is a modern one, the earliest known use being from 1617, in Samuel Collins &lt;i&gt;Epphata to F.T.; or, the Defence of the Bishop of Elie concerning his answer to Cardinall Ballarmine&#039;s Apologie&lt;/i&gt; p. 100:

&quot;Indefinites are equivalent to universalls   especially where one exception being made, it is plaine that all others are thereby cut off, according to the rule &lt;i&gt;Exceptio figit regulam in [casibus] non exceptis.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Note the use of &lt;i&gt;figit&lt;/i&gt; here.  By the time of Coke&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Reports&lt;/i&gt; the modern verb has appeared:

&quot;[...] upon which Award of the Exigent [a summons to appear on pain of outlawry], his Administrators brought a Writ of Error; and it was adjudged, That the Writ of Error did lie, and the reason was, Because that by the Awarding of the Exigent, his Goods and Chattels were forfeited, and of such Awards which tend &lt;i&gt;ad tale grave damnum&lt;/i&gt; of the party, a Writ of Error lieth, although the Principal Judgment was never given; in this case, &lt;i&gt;Exceptio probat regulam, &amp; sic de similibus.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  (Note also Coke&#039;s use of the pleonasm &quot;reason ... because&quot;, frequently denounced nowadays as a neologism.)

Cic. Balb. 12.32 says something similar, but without either of these verbs: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi [non sit exceptum, ibi] necesse est licere.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  The evident slip of the pen, tongue, or mind has been repaired in a variety of other ways, but all in the same general sense.

That said, the &lt;i&gt;proof of the pudding&lt;/i&gt; is indeed about testing, not about fixing or proving.

I wonder if &lt;i&gt;hobber-dobber&lt;/i&gt; is somehow tied to &lt;i&gt;hubba-hubba&lt;/i&gt;, in the older sense of encouraging a slow player to get moving.  I also wonder if the &lt;i&gt;-er&lt;/i&gt; of the one and the &lt;i&gt;-a&lt;/i&gt; of the other represent non-rhotic and rhotic spellings of the same thing.

Lastly, I quite agree with you about spelling bees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Exceptio probat regulam</i> certainly does not mean, or did not originally mean, &#8216;the exception tests the rule&#8217;.  Rather it was and is a maxim of legal interpretation, meaning &#8216;evidence of the existence of an exception is evidence for the existence of a rule not (or no longer) extant.&#8217;  The phrase is a modern one, the earliest known use being from 1617, in Samuel Collins <i>Epphata to F.T.; or, the Defence of the Bishop of Elie concerning his answer to Cardinall Ballarmine&#8217;s Apologie</i> p. 100:</p>
<p>&#8220;Indefinites are equivalent to universalls   especially where one exception being made, it is plaine that all others are thereby cut off, according to the rule <i>Exceptio figit regulam in [casibus] non exceptis.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the use of <i>figit</i> here.  By the time of Coke&#8217;s <i>Reports</i> the modern verb has appeared:</p>
<p>&#8220;[...] upon which Award of the Exigent [a summons to appear on pain of outlawry], his Administrators brought a Writ of Error; and it was adjudged, That the Writ of Error did lie, and the reason was, Because that by the Awarding of the Exigent, his Goods and Chattels were forfeited, and of such Awards which tend <i>ad tale grave damnum</i> of the party, a Writ of Error lieth, although the Principal Judgment was never given; in this case, <i>Exceptio probat regulam, &amp; sic de similibus.</i>&#8221;  (Note also Coke&#8217;s use of the pleonasm &#8220;reason &#8230; because&#8221;, frequently denounced nowadays as a neologism.)</p>
<p>Cic. Balb. 12.32 says something similar, but without either of these verbs: &#8220;<i>Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi [non sit exceptum, ibi] necesse est licere.</i>&#8221;  The evident slip of the pen, tongue, or mind has been repaired in a variety of other ways, but all in the same general sense.</p>
<p>That said, the <i>proof of the pudding</i> is indeed about testing, not about fixing or proving.</p>
<p>I wonder if <i>hobber-dobber</i> is somehow tied to <i>hubba-hubba</i>, in the older sense of encouraging a slow player to get moving.  I also wonder if the <i>-er</i> of the one and the <i>-a</i> of the other represent non-rhotic and rhotic spellings of the same thing.</p>
<p>Lastly, I quite agree with you about spelling bees.</p>
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