Comments on: Obama, Notre Dame, and Abortion http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/obama_abortion/ Academic insights for the thinking world. Fri, 24 May 2013 18:48:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: gloriamundi http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/obama_abortion/#comment-150970 gloriamundi Thu, 21 May 2009 18:49:06 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=4562#comment-150970 In the comments thread following the Minneaplois Star Tribune " Editorial: Obama's abortion 'common ground'," on May. 20, 09 at 7:04 pm I posted the same comment you see above, posted here yesterday. The following post on the Tribune thread by dankoz on May. 20, 09 at 8:58 pm WAS A FIRST in that dankoz was the FIRST pro-lifer on a comments thread to address a comment I made WITHOUT ATTACKING ME! YES! He actually showed empathy for me and was willing to admit his frustration with the Catholic clergy's support of the war and of the mechanisms that increase the divide between the poor and the wealthy in this country!!!! Maybe dankoz is one of the rare Christians actually following Christ! Don't you other pro-lifers see that your approach is what polarizes the debate and drives women to Planned Parenthood, which unfortunately doesn't really offer options! Like others were saying, nobody is "pro-abortion"! We all agree that it is a tragic last option when the other options are likely to perpetuate poverty or tie a woman to a man she is better off without. Pro-lifers just absolutely need to quit screaming and implying "Murderer!" and work on mitigating the social ills that cause a woman to want an abortion! In the comments thread following the Minneaplois Star Tribune ” Editorial: Obama’s abortion ‘common ground’,” on May. 20, 09 at 7:04 pm I posted the same comment you see above, posted here yesterday. The following post on the Tribune thread by dankoz on May. 20, 09 at 8:58 pm WAS A FIRST in that dankoz was the FIRST pro-lifer on a comments thread to address a comment I made WITHOUT ATTACKING ME! YES! He actually showed empathy for me and was willing to admit his frustration with the Catholic clergy’s support of the war and of the mechanisms that increase the divide between the poor and the wealthy in this country!!!! Maybe dankoz is one of the rare Christians actually following Christ! Don’t you other pro-lifers see that your approach is what polarizes the debate and drives women to Planned Parenthood, which unfortunately doesn’t really offer options! Like others were saying, nobody is “pro-abortion”! We all agree that it is a tragic last option when the other options are likely to perpetuate poverty or tie a woman to a man she is better off without. Pro-lifers just absolutely need to quit screaming and implying “Murderer!” and work on mitigating the social ills that cause a woman to want an abortion!

]]> By: Zach http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/obama_abortion/#comment-150891 Zach Thu, 21 May 2009 03:16:17 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=4562#comment-150891 The problem with this argument is that the person who does nothing to save a life when they could has done just that - nothing. A woman who seeks an abortion is performing an action. From a moral standpoint, they may be equally bad, but the law is incapable of making such a distinction. The problem with this argument is that the person who does nothing to save a life when they could has done just that – nothing. A woman who seeks an abortion is performing an action. From a moral standpoint, they may be equally bad, but the law is incapable of making such a distinction.

]]> By: gloriamundi http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/obama_abortion/#comment-150876 gloriamundi Wed, 20 May 2009 23:30:18 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=4562#comment-150876 It is not a debate unless your opponent uses civility, logic, context, factual accuracy, and addresses your legitimate points. Every single experience I have had with the pro-life contingent has shown that they are not capable of debate. When I try to participate in comments threads with these people, I end up feeling brutalized, date-raped, and blamed for it all over again! The essay I wrote on the topic is published on newsvine. It is not a debate unless your opponent uses civility, logic, context, factual accuracy, and addresses your legitimate points. Every single experience I have had with the pro-life contingent has shown that they are not capable of debate. When I try to participate in comments threads with these people, I end up feeling brutalized, date-raped, and blamed for it all over again! The essay I wrote on the topic is published on newsvine.

]]> By: Stephen White http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/obama_abortion/#comment-150857 Stephen White Wed, 20 May 2009 20:57:12 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=4562#comment-150857 The Church teaches, and has always taught, that procured abortion is always and everywhere a grave evil. No exceptions. Ever. The same cannot be said of the Church's teaching on war, immigration law, environmental protection, or even capital punishment. The Church emphasises the sandtity of life because ALL OTHER social justice depends upon it. If human life has value only according to law, and not in and of itself, then the innocent have no defense against the caprice of the powerful. If the woth of someone's life can be written out of the law books, even at the will of teh majority, the society itself is in peril. The blood baths of 20th century should have taught us taht at the very least. The Church teaches, and has always taught, that procured abortion is always and everywhere a grave evil. No exceptions. Ever.
The same cannot be said of the Church’s teaching on war, immigration law, environmental protection, or even capital punishment.

The Church emphasises the sandtity of life because ALL OTHER social justice depends upon it. If human life has value only according to law, and not in and of itself, then the innocent have no defense against the caprice of the powerful. If the woth of someone’s life can be written out of the law books, even at the will of teh majority, the society itself is in peril. The blood baths of 20th century should have taught us taht at the very least.

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