Comments on: Get the AMISOM Soldiers Out of Somalia! http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/ Academic insights for the thinking world. Mon, 20 May 2013 14:53:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: real somali http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-190095 real somali Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:30:16 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-190095 I wonder those who have said that the amisom is doing good job in somalia,is obvious they are not doing good job,they killing innocent people and shelling every night and every day somalian people in mogadisho. realy they are commiting war crime and shoulnd face in justice. they are not welcoming to somalia and they must go now. let me point u one point, amisom got millions of dollers from european uninon and somalian army are with out sallary even 50 dollar, so amisom have hidden agenda in mogadisho and we all knows that. I wonder those who have said that the amisom is doing good job in somalia,is obvious they are not doing good job,they killing innocent people and shelling every night and every day somalian people in mogadisho.

realy they are commiting war crime and shoulnd face in justice. they are not welcoming to somalia and they must go now.

let me point u one point, amisom got millions of dollers from european uninon and somalian army are with out sallary even 50 dollar, so amisom have hidden agenda in mogadisho and we all knows that.

]]> By: Bashiir Mohamed Maalin http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-174356 Bashiir Mohamed Maalin Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:51:47 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-174356 The So Called Joshua Kato, what Troops you are Talking about? i think you were Deployed among these Black Servants of America Called (AMISOM) hhh well you know what kind of place Mogadishu is? you are talking about Well Trained Troops and Well Equiped yess that is right but i ask you who Equiped them and pay their Sallary? of course AMERICA coz they don't wanty to burn their bones in Mogadishu they know What Somalis are and remember the 1993-1994 Lessons............ you Black Servents will never Wake UP untill you Wounded or Die!!! The So Called Joshua Kato, what Troops you are Talking about? i think you were Deployed among these Black Servants of America Called (AMISOM) hhh well you know what kind of place Mogadishu is? you are talking about Well Trained Troops and Well Equiped yess that is right but i ask you who Equiped them and pay their Sallary? of course AMERICA coz they don’t wanty to burn their bones in Mogadishu they know What Somalis are and remember the 1993-1994 Lessons………… you Black Servents will never Wake UP untill you Wounded or Die!!!

]]> By: Bashiir Mohamed Maalin http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-174355 Bashiir Mohamed Maalin Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:39:24 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-174355 About 6 thousand of Troops From Uganda and Burundi their Job is to Capture the Important financial points of starving Somali People, like The Sea Port ,The Air Port and most important transport Roads of Mogadishu the capital city. They fire heavy artillery machine guns to the civilian residing areas far from the battle fields and claim that the insurgents attacked their Military bases is that is Peace keeping? ..................................... The World have to know that somalis are all ploticians and aware that The US and EU ,AU Sent this Troops to overcome every peace activity and I beleive that somalia's solotion will never come in Millitry POWER . We all Remember UNITED STATES's Leading UNISOM Mission had failed and 18 US Rangers Killed baly in Mogadishu Streets, that is all and that is Example that POWER is Not the Best Solution... About 6 thousand of Troops From Uganda and Burundi their Job is to Capture the Important financial points of starving Somali People, like The Sea Port ,The Air Port and most important transport Roads of Mogadishu the capital city.
They fire heavy artillery machine guns to the civilian residing areas far from the battle fields and claim that the insurgents attacked their Military bases is that is Peace keeping? ……………………………….
The World have to know that somalis are all ploticians and aware that The US and EU ,AU Sent this Troops to overcome every peace activity and I beleive that somalia’s solotion will never come in Millitry POWER .
We all Remember UNITED STATES’s Leading UNISOM Mission had failed and 18 US Rangers Killed baly in Mogadishu Streets, that is all and that is Example that POWER is Not the Best Solution…

]]> By: Mike http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-170908 Mike Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:08:48 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-170908 Gerald, you claim to be an aclaimed journalist, who has published a couple of books on Africa...but your perception of the continent is pitiful...it only shows how you despise the people on this continent. You cannot say, Somalia should be left to sort itself out, when the years of the conflict only shows the opposite. You can suggest anything else, but not discouraging the troops who sacrifice their lives to create relative peace in parts of the city. Gerald, you claim to be an aclaimed journalist, who has published a couple of books on Africa…but your perception of the continent is pitiful…it only shows how you despise the people on this continent. You cannot say, Somalia should be left to sort itself out, when the years of the conflict only shows the opposite. You can suggest anything else, but not discouraging the troops who sacrifice their lives to create relative peace in parts of the city.

]]> By: DAVID WILLIAMS http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-165570 DAVID WILLIAMS Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:59:35 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-165570 The over - hyped presidential "election" among the isaak clan after all somaliland is ethnic cleansed one-clan based secessionist enclave , It is above all a well-organised show to con the international community for recognition. The "elected" leader Mr Ahmed Silanyo witch is a Isaak is Accused of war crimes and crimes against Humanity committed by him During His term as the leader of the isaak militia known as Somali National Movement(SNM) in the 1980s and 1990s in Somalia. The over – hyped presidential “election” among the isaak clan after all somaliland is ethnic cleansed one-clan based secessionist enclave , It is above all a well-organised show to con the international community for recognition. The “elected” leader Mr Ahmed Silanyo witch is a Isaak is Accused of war crimes and crimes against Humanity committed by him During His term as the leader of the isaak militia known as Somali National Movement(SNM) in the 1980s and 1990s in Somalia.

]]> By: Joshua Kato http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-152849 Joshua Kato Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:07:38 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-152849 I also do not agree that the AMISOM soldiers are not well trained and exposed too. Ugandan soldiers have been fighting similar wars for the last 23 years. Just like the Burundians have been fighting insurgents for many years. Both these countries have got highly trained soldiers who are able to withstand any kind of battles. About armaments, i think that the troops have got the neccessary weapons for ground war fare. They have armored personnel carriers like the South African (BAE) made Mamba that can person as good as any APC in the world, they have MBTs and transports. What perhaps they lack is the Helicopter support element. I also do not agree that the AMISOM soldiers are not well trained and exposed too. Ugandan soldiers have been fighting similar wars for the last 23 years. Just like the Burundians have been fighting insurgents for many years. Both these countries have got highly trained soldiers who are able to withstand any kind of battles. About armaments, i think that the troops have got the neccessary weapons for ground war fare. They have armored personnel carriers like the South African (BAE) made Mamba that can person as good as any APC in the world, they have MBTs and transports. What perhaps they lack is the Helicopter support element.

]]> By: Richard http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-151888 Richard Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:26:48 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-151888 I think your argument is lacking in facts and relies more on opinions and assumptions. Firstly i would like to know how you get the impression that the african union troops are lacking morale, or they lack training. I think everyone is quite impressed by their achievements. They have done a wonderful job given their mandate which has been to preserve government infrastructure ie ports roads and airport to open a route for aid into Somalia. Their Mandate is not to impose peace. America with 20000 troops could not stay in somalia for over 6 months but they have been there for 3 years now. Please acknowledge their achievements. I think your argument is lacking in facts and relies more on opinions and assumptions. Firstly i would like to know how you get the impression that the african union troops are lacking morale, or they lack training. I think everyone is quite impressed by their achievements. They have done a wonderful job given their mandate which has been to preserve government infrastructure ie ports roads and airport to open a route for aid into Somalia. Their Mandate is not to impose peace. America with 20000 troops could not stay in somalia for over 6 months but they have been there for 3 years now. Please acknowledge their achievements.

]]> By: DT http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-149622 DT Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:07:23 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-149622 Somali people always consider Arab jihadists as somalis because Somalis don't consider themselves Black. That is the reason why Somali people don't tell the Arab Shabab commanders and arab suicide bombers to leave Somalia. They only ask for Africans to leave Somalia. Suicide bombing is not in the culture of Somali people so they need Arabs to come to Somalia. By the way, not all somalis do this. Only some clans Somali people always consider Arab jihadists as somalis because Somalis don’t consider themselves Black.
That is the reason why Somali people don’t tell the Arab Shabab commanders and arab suicide bombers to leave Somalia. They only ask for Africans to leave Somalia. Suicide bombing is not in the culture of Somali people so they need Arabs to come to Somalia. By the way, not all somalis do this. Only some clans

]]> By: ahmed http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-149610 ahmed Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:50:02 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-149610 i agree on many issues that u have raised, but i also disagree with you on many other claims u stated, first of all we somalis are black and we consider ourself africans, we just dont consider somalis to be bantu africans, but somali cushtic africans, and if u as bantu africans dont like that, tough luck, and yes we do have a pride that many africans dont have, and that can be as good as bad for a nation, and please stop the tribal somalia cos we all know that whole of africa is just like somalia, imagin during the election of kenya instead of banga's and sticks if the people of kenya had serious weapons, when somalia goverment collapsed also the 3 largest army and weaponarry of africa dissapeared into different tribes... and as for the aceptance of the armed foreigners in somali soil by the president, is highest treason any somali can commit, its the best way forward to have those boys to pack and go home i agree on many issues that u have raised, but i also disagree with you on many other claims u stated, first of all we somalis are black and we consider ourself africans, we just dont consider somalis to be bantu africans, but somali cushtic africans, and if u as bantu africans dont like that, tough luck, and yes we do have a pride that many africans dont have, and that can be as good as bad for a nation, and please stop the tribal somalia cos we all know that whole of africa is just like somalia, imagin during the election of kenya instead of banga’s and sticks if the people of kenya had serious weapons, when somalia goverment collapsed also the 3 largest army and weaponarry of africa dissapeared into different tribes… and as for the aceptance of the armed foreigners in somali soil by the president, is highest treason any somali can commit, its the best way forward to have those boys to pack and go home

]]> By: peter http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-149609 peter Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:10:31 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-149609 one factual error, gerard. despite the initial reports that burundian troops opened fire indiscriminately in mogadishu last month, two inquiries have completely exonerated them of the charge. the civilians were killed by the suicide bomber that attacked the troops. the attack occurred the day after sheikh sharif's election, and was timed to upstage his arrival at the african union summit. one factual error, gerard. despite the initial reports that burundian troops opened fire indiscriminately in mogadishu last month, two inquiries have completely exonerated them of the charge. the civilians were killed by the suicide bomber that attacked the troops. the attack occurred the day after sheikh sharif’s election, and was timed to upstage his arrival at the african union summit.

]]> By: Kenyan http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-149601 Kenyan Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:44:52 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-149601 Somalia is a country that might not find peace anytime soon because of clan wars and sub-clan wars. They also don't know how they are. It is interesting that you said "Contrary to what would seem to be the case, the label “African” does not carry much weight in Somalia. " Somalis don't believe they are black. I met many somalis in kenya who insult black people and degrade bantus like the KKK. Somalia should not be in the African Union, but in the Arab League. They also have religious confusion. They think Ethiopians are christian crusaders but Ethiopia actually has 3 times more Muslim population than Somalia. In fact, history shows Ethiopia accepted Islam before the Arab friends of Somalia. Somalia is a country that might not find peace anytime soon because of clan wars and sub-clan wars. They also don’t know how they are. It is interesting that you said

“Contrary to what would seem to be the case, the label “African” does not carry much weight in Somalia. ”

Somalis don’t believe they are black. I met many somalis in kenya who insult black people and degrade bantus like the KKK. Somalia should not be in the African Union, but in the Arab League.
They also have religious confusion. They think Ethiopians are christian crusaders but Ethiopia actually has 3 times more Muslim population than Somalia. In fact, history shows Ethiopia accepted Islam before the Arab friends of Somalia.

]]> By: john http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/amisom-in-somalia/#comment-149600 john Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:13:25 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/?p=3488#comment-149600 what do you mean foreigners?? are african peacekeepers more foreigners than the afghan and arab suicide bombers in somalia?? what do you mean foreigners?? are african peacekeepers more foreigners than the afghan and arab suicide bombers in somalia??

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