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	<title>Comments on: Decca, EMI, and Ed Sullivan: The Beatles Seize February</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2009/02/ed_sullivan_beatles/#comment-266348</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I find it odd that the chairman of Decca would have a say in the signing of an unknown group. Music artists having auditions, being signed and dropped must have been a common thing - too common for the top man to get involved? 

Wasn&#039;t it Mike Smith who recommended the Beatles be dropped by DECCA when Dick Rowe asked him? Rowe merely relayed the new to Epstein?

George Martin did not suggest that Best to be sacked. The real reason for the dismissal is still a mystery with only one man, Paul McCartney, still alive who fully knows.  George Harrison was the hawk to have Best sacked but he never gave the real reason(s).  The sacking was 2.5 months after the June 6 session at Abbey Rd.

Another myth is that the Beatles 6 June first session at Abbey Rd with Pete Best was an audition. It was not. Even Pete Best has stated so. They were told they were to record a single.  The contract to record a single was already signed. No record label would allow unknowns to record their own written songs in those days. Any White, the session drummer called in, stated he was very surprised an unknown band on their first recordings were recording their own songs. The Beatles had financial leverage over EMI.

The Beatles did record their own songs and turned down a sure-fire hit, because it was not written by them, How Do You Do It, a No. 1 hit later with Gerry and the Pacemakers.  The first release, Love Me Do, was rather lame and dull and obvious why it was a minor hit.

It has been written that Epstein threatened EMI with withdrawing EMI records from his stores to get the Beatles recording a single. The economic threat by Epstein meant EMI gave in. Even Martin stated, &quot;EMI had nothing to lose by recording the Beatles&quot;. Martin&#039;s knowledge of rocks bands was little more than nil, as he had never recorded such music previously.  Martin was on the bottom end of EMI in their small Parlophone label. It was clear EMI allowed Epstein to make a single to keep the NEMS record sales, so never gave him the top EMI labels or experienced rock music producers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I find it odd that the chairman of Decca would have a say in the signing of an unknown group. Music artists having auditions, being signed and dropped must have been a common thing &#8211; too common for the top man to get involved? </p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Mike Smith who recommended the Beatles be dropped by DECCA when Dick Rowe asked him? Rowe merely relayed the new to Epstein?</p>
<p>George Martin did not suggest that Best to be sacked. The real reason for the dismissal is still a mystery with only one man, Paul McCartney, still alive who fully knows.  George Harrison was the hawk to have Best sacked but he never gave the real reason(s).  The sacking was 2.5 months after the June 6 session at Abbey Rd.</p>
<p>Another myth is that the Beatles 6 June first session at Abbey Rd with Pete Best was an audition. It was not. Even Pete Best has stated so. They were told they were to record a single.  The contract to record a single was already signed. No record label would allow unknowns to record their own written songs in those days. Any White, the session drummer called in, stated he was very surprised an unknown band on their first recordings were recording their own songs. The Beatles had financial leverage over EMI.</p>
<p>The Beatles did record their own songs and turned down a sure-fire hit, because it was not written by them, How Do You Do It, a No. 1 hit later with Gerry and the Pacemakers.  The first release, Love Me Do, was rather lame and dull and obvious why it was a minor hit.</p>
<p>It has been written that Epstein threatened EMI with withdrawing EMI records from his stores to get the Beatles recording a single. The economic threat by Epstein meant EMI gave in. Even Martin stated, &#8220;EMI had nothing to lose by recording the Beatles&#8221;. Martin&#8217;s knowledge of rocks bands was little more than nil, as he had never recorded such music previously.  Martin was on the bottom end of EMI in their small Parlophone label. It was clear EMI allowed Epstein to make a single to keep the NEMS record sales, so never gave him the top EMI labels or experienced rock music producers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Thompson</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2009/02/ed_sullivan_beatles/#comment-180262</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, thanks for the correction on Southport.  I inadvertently upgraded its municipal status.  As for Ringo, I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that he joined the Beatles in February; only that he deputized for Pete Best on that night.  And I think all George Martin indicated was that he intended to replace Pete Best on the recording session; but that they could keep him for their live shows.  That would have been standard practice.

Stephen, thanks for the insight on your godfather&#039;s mindset.  Very informative.

Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for the correction on Southport.  I inadvertently upgraded its municipal status.  As for Ringo, I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that he joined the Beatles in February; only that he deputized for Pete Best on that night.  And I think all George Martin indicated was that he intended to replace Pete Best on the recording session; but that they could keep him for their live shows.  That would have been standard practice.</p>
<p>Stephen, thanks for the insight on your godfather&#8217;s mindset.  Very informative.</p>
<p>Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S Beecher-Stevens was my godfather. I would like to put on record that he thought the Beatles were excellent and wantedn to sihn them. Sir Edward Lewis chairman of Decca thought otherwise. This upset my godfather and led to his forced early retirement from Decca. Decca had the Rolling Stones of course. My uncle never forgave Lewis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S Beecher-Stevens was my godfather. I would like to put on record that he thought the Beatles were excellent and wantedn to sihn them. Sir Edward Lewis chairman of Decca thought otherwise. This upset my godfather and led to his forced early retirement from Decca. Decca had the Rolling Stones of course. My uncle never forgave Lewis.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2009/02/ed_sullivan_beatles/#comment-156244</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points:

Southport is not a city but a town, 16 miles to the north of Liverpool.

Ringo Starr did not join the Beatles until after they had signed with Parlophone. It was George Martin who urged them to dump Pete Best as drummer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points:</p>
<p>Southport is not a city but a town, 16 miles to the north of Liverpool.</p>
<p>Ringo Starr did not join the Beatles until after they had signed with Parlophone. It was George Martin who urged them to dump Pete Best as drummer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2009/02/ed_sullivan_beatles/#comment-149263</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that we need to think of the Beatles as &quot;classical,&quot; although I recognize a cross plug when I see one.  :-)  

If anything, the Beatles were anti-classical in the sense that they represented a movement in Britain to undermine class hierarchy.  (What else can &quot;classical music&quot; refer to if not the class that traditionally patronized it?)  

And when Chuck Berry commands Beethoven to &quot;roll over&quot; and &quot;tell Tchaikovsky the news,&quot; I think he meant in their graves.  Rock and the under-privileged now ruled.  

Thanks for the comments.

Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that we need to think of the Beatles as &#8220;classical,&#8221; although I recognize a cross plug when I see one.  <img src='http://blog.oup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>If anything, the Beatles were anti-classical in the sense that they represented a movement in Britain to undermine class hierarchy.  (What else can &#8220;classical music&#8221; refer to if not the class that traditionally patronized it?)  </p>
<p>And when Chuck Berry commands Beethoven to &#8220;roll over&#8221; and &#8220;tell Tchaikovsky the news,&#8221; I think he meant in their graves.  Rock and the under-privileged now ruled.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2009/02/ed_sullivan_beatles/#comment-149246</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since those fateful days the Beatles have become As classical as Beethoven and boy did they teach Tchaikovsky some blues?  If you love the Fab Four as much as I do? Tune in to beatlesradio.com for Beatles music 24/7.    Thanks Mr moonlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since those fateful days the Beatles have become As classical as Beethoven and boy did they teach Tchaikovsky some blues?  If you love the Fab Four as much as I do? Tune in to beatlesradio.com for Beatles music 24/7.    Thanks Mr moonlight.</p>
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