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		<title>By: Thomas Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-147278</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which of the following are entirely man-made?
Asbestos, Beryllium, CO2, Sun Spots, Anxiety.
What kills more people every year?
Ironic?
Out of a sense of &#039;duty&#039;, and the &quot;responsibility to use their freedom of speech&quot;, people like the author of this sad book will try to get rich while inflaming the emotions and anxiety of the nameless public.
I hope they repent before the final accountability comes to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which of the following are entirely man-made?<br />
Asbestos, Beryllium, CO2, Sun Spots, Anxiety.<br />
What kills more people every year?<br />
Ironic?<br />
Out of a sense of &#8216;duty&#8217;, and the &#8220;responsibility to use their freedom of speech&#8221;, people like the author of this sad book will try to get rich while inflaming the emotions and anxiety of the nameless public.<br />
I hope they repent before the final accountability comes to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Andersen</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-146921</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating.  Both book and review tacitly assume that &quot;science&quot; (in quotes to distinguish it from the ideal search for natural truths that is science simpliciter) occupies a morally unassailable position.  This is far from clear -- to pretend there are not fads and fashion in science funding is truly to have one&#039;s head in the sand.  Climate is a complex phenomenon and an epistemically murky one to access.  That there is room in this murk for those on the side of GW fashion to have created a niche of mutual reinforcement and funding bias toward &quot;positive&quot; results is no surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.  Both book and review tacitly assume that &#8220;science&#8221; (in quotes to distinguish it from the ideal search for natural truths that is science simpliciter) occupies a morally unassailable position.  This is far from clear &#8212; to pretend there are not fads and fashion in science funding is truly to have one&#8217;s head in the sand.  Climate is a complex phenomenon and an epistemically murky one to access.  That there is room in this murk for those on the side of GW fashion to have created a niche of mutual reinforcement and funding bias toward &#8220;positive&#8221; results is no surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: RickEdwards</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-146851</link>
		<dc:creator>RickEdwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice balancing story for the Aspirin story would be the DDT story, where overly aggressive banning of the pesticide has resulted in likely over a million deaths (versus the &#039;untold&#039; numbers hypothesized regarding Aspirin).  (I&#039;d be more definitive if I could find my copy of Booker&#039;s book.)

Taking political action at every possible threat falls somewhere in the direction of criminal or stupid (er - OK I guess that is typical of legislators).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice balancing story for the Aspirin story would be the DDT story, where overly aggressive banning of the pesticide has resulted in likely over a million deaths (versus the &#8216;untold&#8217; numbers hypothesized regarding Aspirin).  (I&#8217;d be more definitive if I could find my copy of Booker&#8217;s book.)</p>
<p>Taking political action at every possible threat falls somewhere in the direction of criminal or stupid (er &#8211; OK I guess that is typical of legislators).</p>
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		<title>By: John Tertullian</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-146841</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tertullian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it also strange that the noble warriors fighting global warming have given us biofuel mania which has ended up driving hundreds of millions of people into starvation.  A confidential World Bank report has demonstrated that 75% of the huge rise in global food prices has been caused by the US biofuel industry. 
Here we have the ultimate irony.  Michaels criticises those who demand final proof before taking action.  Far greater criticism, and true moral guilt, however, can be levelled at those who are forcing responses to an unproven problem which is resulting in far far more untimely deaths than tobacco ever caused.  But, then again, its only black and coloured poor people overseas who are being starved. Foreigners.  They don&#039;t count. Not really human, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it also strange that the noble warriors fighting global warming have given us biofuel mania which has ended up driving hundreds of millions of people into starvation.  A confidential World Bank report has demonstrated that 75% of the huge rise in global food prices has been caused by the US biofuel industry.<br />
Here we have the ultimate irony.  Michaels criticises those who demand final proof before taking action.  Far greater criticism, and true moral guilt, however, can be levelled at those who are forcing responses to an unproven problem which is resulting in far far more untimely deaths than tobacco ever caused.  But, then again, its only black and coloured poor people overseas who are being starved. Foreigners.  They don&#8217;t count. Not really human, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: floodguy</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-146827</link>
		<dc:creator>floodguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coldest winter in China in 50 years.  Snow in Baghdad, record snowfall events in South Africa.  Record lows in Australia, record snow in the US Rockies.  Record Antartic sea ice.  Strong east Pacific La Nina, back to back quiet Atlantic tropical seasons. 

There is enough to doubt if C02 is forcing higher temps considering that since 1988, global temps have only increased a fraction of a degree, while C02 has skyrocketed.  

Still, there is good reason to proceed with a global clean energy revolution, despite C02.  Energy security, independence, and moral economic reasons are enough cause for any skeptic to firmly support a transformation from fossil consumption to cleaner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coldest winter in China in 50 years.  Snow in Baghdad, record snowfall events in South Africa.  Record lows in Australia, record snow in the US Rockies.  Record Antartic sea ice.  Strong east Pacific La Nina, back to back quiet Atlantic tropical seasons. </p>
<p>There is enough to doubt if C02 is forcing higher temps considering that since 1988, global temps have only increased a fraction of a degree, while C02 has skyrocketed.  </p>
<p>Still, there is good reason to proceed with a global clean energy revolution, despite C02.  Energy security, independence, and moral economic reasons are enough cause for any skeptic to firmly support a transformation from fossil consumption to cleaner.</p>
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		<title>By: Harbinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harbinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it strange that the very scientists who promote man-made global warming don&#039;t admit that they haven&#039;t a clue. This is from the foremost Climate Modelling centre, the UK Hadley Centre with major input to the IPCC: Stabilising climate to avoid dangerous climate change — a summary of relevant research at the Hadley Centre January 2005

What constitutes ‘dangerous’ climate change, in the context of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, remains open to debate. 

Once we decide what degree of (for example) temperature rise the world can tolerate, we then have to estimate what greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere should be limited to, and how quickly they should be allowed to change. 

These are very uncertain because we do not know exactly how the climate system responds to greenhouse gases.

The next stage is to calculate what emissions of greenhouse gases would be allowable, in order to keep below the limit of greenhouse gas concentrations. This is even more uncertain, thanks to our imperfect understanding of the carbon cycle (and chemical cycles) and how this feeds back into the climate system.

In view of the above how can they make specific statements and say that the science is certain?

The answer is they can&#039;t, but to keep their jobs and funding they have to keep the ball in the air. The UK Tyndall Centre had the answer:

The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change Dennis Bray and Simon Shackley, September 2004. Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.

Global warming (or climate change) is, without elaboration, a much debated and contested issue. Not only is it contested among scientists, but also among all those with vested interests.

We suggest that, in the realm of the public, forces act to maintain or denounce a perceived reality which has already been constructed. That is, an issue introduced by science (or media for that matter) needs continual expression of confirmation if it is to be maintained as an issue.

In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception.

As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)? 

To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future. 

Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.

Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change. 

We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.

How about the star scientist, James Hansen who keeps telling us how global temperatures are rising when he doesn&#039;t even know what the global temperature is:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/abs_temp.html

To measure surface air temperature, (SAT), we have to agree on what it is and, as far as I know, no such standard has been suggested or generally adopted.

For the global mean, the most trusted models produce a value of roughly 14 Celsius, i.e. 57.2 F, but it may easily be anywhere between 56 and 58 F and regionally, let alone locally, the situation is even worse.
(Responsible NASA Official: James E. Hansen, 2005-07-12).

Most people believe that &quot;the science is certain&quot; because these scientists keep saying they know more than they do. It is quite right that major policy initiatives on CO2 should be challenged when the claims are based on such flimsy evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it strange that the very scientists who promote man-made global warming don&#8217;t admit that they haven&#8217;t a clue. This is from the foremost Climate Modelling centre, the UK Hadley Centre with major input to the IPCC: Stabilising climate to avoid dangerous climate change — a summary of relevant research at the Hadley Centre January 2005</p>
<p>What constitutes ‘dangerous’ climate change, in the context of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, remains open to debate. </p>
<p>Once we decide what degree of (for example) temperature rise the world can tolerate, we then have to estimate what greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere should be limited to, and how quickly they should be allowed to change. </p>
<p>These are very uncertain because we do not know exactly how the climate system responds to greenhouse gases.</p>
<p>The next stage is to calculate what emissions of greenhouse gases would be allowable, in order to keep below the limit of greenhouse gas concentrations. This is even more uncertain, thanks to our imperfect understanding of the carbon cycle (and chemical cycles) and how this feeds back into the climate system.</p>
<p>In view of the above how can they make specific statements and say that the science is certain?</p>
<p>The answer is they can&#8217;t, but to keep their jobs and funding they have to keep the ball in the air. The UK Tyndall Centre had the answer:</p>
<p>The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change Dennis Bray and Simon Shackley, September 2004. Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research.</p>
<p>Global warming (or climate change) is, without elaboration, a much debated and contested issue. Not only is it contested among scientists, but also among all those with vested interests.</p>
<p>We suggest that, in the realm of the public, forces act to maintain or denounce a perceived reality which has already been constructed. That is, an issue introduced by science (or media for that matter) needs continual expression of confirmation if it is to be maintained as an issue.</p>
<p>In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception.</p>
<p>As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)? </p>
<p>To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future. </p>
<p>Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.</p>
<p>Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change. </p>
<p>We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.</p>
<p>How about the star scientist, James Hansen who keeps telling us how global temperatures are rising when he doesn&#8217;t even know what the global temperature is:</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/abs_temp.html" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/abs_temp.html</a></p>
<p>To measure surface air temperature, (SAT), we have to agree on what it is and, as far as I know, no such standard has been suggested or generally adopted.</p>
<p>For the global mean, the most trusted models produce a value of roughly 14 Celsius, i.e. 57.2 F, but it may easily be anywhere between 56 and 58 F and regionally, let alone locally, the situation is even worse.<br />
(Responsible NASA Official: James E. Hansen, 2005-07-12).</p>
<p>Most people believe that &#8220;the science is certain&#8221; because these scientists keep saying they know more than they do. It is quite right that major policy initiatives on CO2 should be challenged when the claims are based on such flimsy evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://blog.oup.com/2008/07/doubt_science/comment-page-1/#comment-146773</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it strange that some of the same scientists who used to claim that smoking didn&#039;t kill anyone are now the ones claiming that gobal warming is a hoax. It looks very much like the big oil and power companies are now working with big tobacco hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it strange that some of the same scientists who used to claim that smoking didn&#8217;t kill anyone are now the ones claiming that gobal warming is a hoax. It looks very much like the big oil and power companies are now working with big tobacco hacks.</p>
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