As this life is the only one I will ever have and as I will spend eternity in oblivion (the same oblivion I spent billions of years in before I was born without the slightest inconvenience) I will spend no more of it debating with someone as deeply deluded as yourself.

My evidence for God is personal but it has been repeated millions of times. I was about my mere business of life when I got myself in a huge amount of trouble. I sinned. I sinned against man. I sinned against God. How do I know? Well you can ask the people I sinned against; they will tell you. Or, you could read the Bible and it will tell you of many others who have done the things I did. It will tell you of the troubles they brought upon themselves. It will tell you of God’s warnings not to do such things. It is not that He does not want you to enjoy yourself. It is that He wants good things for you not bad. He knows the consequences of your sins will be bad for you and others.

Once surrounded by troubles and woes I realized, through efforts of my own and others, that; neither all the king’s horses nor all the king’s men could get me out of the mess I had made. I remembered how many of the “deluded” people I had encounter in my life would tell me about this Jesus and how He would save you from your sins if you would only ask.

Long story short; I asked. With all the sincerity of my heart, I got down on my knees and asked the King of Glory to forgive and restore me. He did. I have evidence. All that I had ever had and lost He restored and more. My wife was restored to me. My kids were restored to me. My family and friends were restored to me. My wealth was restored to me. All these I had squandered, pushed away, abandoned, or alienated. Now I have more family, friends, money, and status then I had ever had living life by my own designs. This “experiment” has been repeated countless times by countless lost souls. You reject this evidence because of your pride. You reject it because of your selfishness. You John have a hardened heart.

Your God is statistics. You have faith in chance. One book, the Bible, can tell you more about yourself, your kind, the world, and the One who made it than can all the science books that have ever or will ever be written. Modern science, as the dogma of its elite demands, can only study the material universe. Modern science therefore assumes a closed material system and to modern science nothing outside that realm exists. What a foolish self centered stance to take.

You say evolutionists believe life evolved from non-living material because that is what the evidence suggests. What evidence? How many times have they observed this to have happened? It is fantasy; pure fantasy. Their closed system assumption removes all other possibilities so despite the fact that it has never been observed; evolutionists claim that life must have evolved from some sort of chemical soup. You can’t think that that is science.

We agree that life is more than the sum of its physical parts. That more is the spirit of a man. You will have your spirit a lot longer than you will have your physical parts. Where will you spend eternity John?

In the love of Christ,
-Mel

In order to know or believe something one must have evidence. ‘Faith’ is utterly irrelevant, unless you count the kind of ‘faith’ that day follows night because it has done so for billions of years, or that your friends won’t let you down because they haven’t done so before. Even that ‘faith’ is based on evidence.

Yes I have ‘faith’ or, to use a better word, confidence in humankind to figure things out because we have figured many things out, and continue to do so by looking at evidence, comparing notes, collaborating, constantly testing and somtimes finding new evidence to disprove previously held beliefs.

What do you mean by ‘the living God’? Where’s your evidence for his/her/its/their existence? There is not one shred. It explains nothing. All it does is beg more questions. If there is a god, where did he/she/it/they come from? You may ‘feel’ very strongly that there is some supernatural sky-bully which is responsible for the existence of everything, but feeling very strongly about something does not make it true.

And just what do you mean by ‘His willingness to reveal what “Is”‘? This is nonsense. It might sound all deep and meaningful and mystical, but it’s utterly meaningless.

So you’ve tested it have you? What were these tests? What were the results? Just stating something is not evidence. Provide evidence or I (and anyone else) will just assume you are raving. The Bible, just like all the ‘holy’ books and the ridiculous religions that grew around them, is man-made. It was written centuries after the events that it reports, is hugely contradictory and is frequently downright nasty. It’s hardly the kind of book anyone should base their life on unless you’re into disrespecting women, slavery, mass murder, genocide, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, and being ruled by a petulant, jealous bully. What makes you think your special magic book is right and all the others from all over the world are wrong?

Yes, humankind has sometimes failed to figure things out and find answers but we keep trying and find out more and more as time goes on. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for being unimpressed.

What do you mean by ‘closed system’ and ‘open system’? Evolutionists ‘claim’ no such thing. They believe life evolved from non-living material because that’s what the evidence suggests. Pick apart any living thing and you will have non-living material. Life and consciousness are emergent properties; in other words we are more than the sum of our parts. No, we don’t know how life srarted or how consciousness evolved and we may never know, but the chances are God willhave had nothing to do with it. Where’s the evidence for your arrogant, dogmatic claim that life was created by an outside force? There is none. Your ‘claim’ is groundless and the product of delusion.

In order to know anything one must have faith in something. Your faith lies in the abilities of man to figure out, from a set of extremely contradictory observations, what “Is” and where it came from. My faith is vested in the living God and His willingness to reveal what “Is”.

That God wrote the Bible has stood up to every test I have leveled against it (I have leveled many) and every test I have witnessed leveled against it by others. Until it is shown to be in error I will continue to follow its precepts. Mans collective ability to reason has failed time and again. So, pardon me for being unimpressed.

Evolutionists claim that life must have evolved from non-living material in a closed system. They have no evidence that this happened. I claim that life was created by a directed outside force. I have at least as much evidence as they do. My open system assumption is the more likely. This makes my claim superior to theirs. What say you?

-Mel

And what do you mean, Ken, that evolution can’t explain ‘the creation of new kinds of living things’? New species don’t just spontaneously appear, you know! They evolve over time form other species.

Mel, where’s your evidence that Adam saw it first hand? Where, for that matter, is your evidence that Adam even existed at all or that the Flood actually happened? There is none. The stories in some ancient, extrmely contradictory book that was written by men who lived centuries after the supposed events is no evidence at all.

Only the religious claim that homo sapiens is what evolution has been leading to for all these millions of years. This is an entirely mistaken viewpoint. We are nothing more or less than just another species, albeit with a more developed brain. This, however, makes us no better or more special than any other species on the planet.

You ask me what is more reasonable? That question and your answer to it is indicative of the arrogance and stupidity of people of ‘faith’. No, we haven’t figured out yet how life originated, but when and if we do, ‘creation’ or ‘design’ is hugely unlikely to have anything to do with it. Yours is a classic argument from personal incredulity; ‘I can’t see how it could have happened other than design or creation by a magic sky-fairy, so that must be how it happened’. This is just willful ignorance.

“The whole notion of a creator comes from a time when our species was in its infancy and we didn’t know any better. Now we do know better and we are continuing to find out more and more as time goes on and the more we find out the fewer places any religious belief has to hide.”

Yes, the notion of a creator came from a time when our species was in its infancy. During this time Adam witnessed it firsthand. Now, trusting in our own understanding, we think we know better. John is just one of the many scoffers foretold in 2 Peter chapter 3. There the Bible claims that it is John Doole who is “willingly ignorant” of three facts: the Creation, the Flood, and the Judgment to come. So obvious are these three that a five year old child can figure them out.

Not even the most sapient of the supposed result of millions of years of perfecting evolution – that would be Homo Sapiens Sapiens – can figure out how life came to be apart from design. So, I ask you, what is more reasonable; what is manifest by God’s works (special Creation) or what is incalculable by all human effort (abiogenesis)? It seems that Romans 1 is coming true: “While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man …”

In the love of Christ,
-Mel

Actually, creationists believe in natural selection. In fact, Edward Blythe wrote about the concept of natural selection 30 years before Darwin wrote the Origin of the Species. Blythe was also British like Darwin, but he was a creationist. Creationists today believe in natural selection.

Natural selection explains variation but not the creation of new kinds of living things.

“In fact it’s worse than that, it actively discourages explanation or the questing after knowledge seeking instead to satisfy the ‘faithful’ with bronze age myths of all-powerful, all-knowing, invisible sky fairies.”

If that were true, how is that Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, Louis Pasteur, and many other creationists were able to make such significant contributions to science.