Comments on: Extending the History of Words: The Case of “Ms.” http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/ Introducing brilliant authors to the blogosphere. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:43:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: New Words on the Block: Back When "Movies" Were Young : OUPblog http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-97164 New Words on the Block: Back When "Movies" Were Young : OUPblog Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:31:30 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-97164 [...] how fresh a coinage was movie at the time of this complaint? The antedaters have been pushing back the earliest known usage of the word slowly but surely. In the second [...] [...] how fresh a coinage was movie at the time of this complaint? The antedaters have been pushing back the earliest known usage of the word slowly but surely. In the second [...]

]]> By: Ben Zimmer http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-55800 Ben Zimmer Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:43:56 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-55800 Stephen, well spotted! Humeston, IA is certainly a lot closer to Springfield, MO than it is to Springfield, MA. And wouldn't it be appropriate if "Mizz" came from Mizzouri! Stephen, well spotted! Humeston, IA is certainly a lot closer to Springfield, MO than it is to Springfield, MA. And wouldn’t it be appropriate if “Mizz” came from Mizzouri!

]]> By: Stephen http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-55471 Stephen Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:00:23 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-55471 Thanks, Ben. I may be mistaken, but I think that there may be one other candidate newspaper. Unless I read WorldCat wrongly, there is also the The Springfield Republican from Springfield, Missouri, 1895 to 1908, OCLC number 21586198 Thanks, Ben. I may be mistaken, but I think that there may be one other candidate newspaper. Unless I read WorldCat wrongly, there is also the The Springfield Republican from Springfield, Missouri, 1895 to 1908, OCLC number 21586198

]]> By: Ben Zimmer http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-55446 Ben Zimmer Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:55:59 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-55446 Stephen: The item doesn't specify, but I don't think there were any other newspapers at the time called the Springfield Republican besides the one in Massachusetts (though there are of course many Springfields). The Massachusetts paper had a lot of coverage of the suffrage movement, which is why I speculated that "Ms." could have originated in first-wave feminism. Stephen: The item doesn’t specify, but I don’t think there were any other newspapers at the time called the Springfield Republican besides the one in Massachusetts (though there are of course many Springfields).

The Massachusetts paper had a lot of coverage of the suffrage movement, which is why I speculated that “Ms.” could have originated in first-wave feminism.

]]> By: Stephen http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-55433 Stephen Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:30:01 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-55433 I don't have Newspaperarchive, so can't check there. Does the article specify that the Springfield Republican was the Massachusetts paper, or might it be the Springfield Republican from another state? I don’t have Newspaperarchive, so can’t check there. Does the article specify that the Springfield Republican was the Massachusetts paper, or might it be the Springfield Republican from another state?

]]> By: dating » Blog Archive » Extending the History of Words: The Case of “Ms.” http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-54650 dating » Blog Archive » Extending the History of Words: The Case of “Ms.” Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:07:00 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-54650 [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...] [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]

]]> By: Misha Hoekstra http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-54649 Misha Hoekstra Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:02:26 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-54649 I've always thought that the beauty of Ms. is that it /simultaneously/ abbreviates both Miss and Mrs. By conflating the two, it also signals a sort of etymological retreat, since Miss and Mrs. are themselves originally abbreviations of a single word: mistress. I’ve always thought that the beauty of Ms. is that it /simultaneously/ abbreviates both Miss and Mrs. By conflating the two, it also signals a sort of etymological retreat, since Miss and Mrs. are themselves originally abbreviations of a single word: mistress.

]]> By: KHF http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-54645 KHF Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:08:34 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-54645 Why the SOED can't follow its parent work by giving a date for different senses of words as it's an abridgement of the OED? If it may mislead users, why the OED does so? The OED editors can decide the earliest date of use by giving qutations, so can those of the SOED. I used to look up SOED for dates of entries of different senses of words, but found a bit disappointing when I bought the new editions of SOED in 1993 and 2002 since I expected it was like previous ones. It's not easy to get access to the OED both online and paper editions, the SOED is a real alternative while Merriam-Webster's Collegiate and Random House Webster's Unabridged can't provide a date or date range for different senses. Antedating is encouraged, but it shouldn't be an excuse for avioding false precision. If antedating is needed for some words or senses, just do it, no matter M20 or E20. Why the SOED can’t follow its parent work by giving a date for different senses of words as it’s an abridgement of the OED? If it may mislead users, why the OED does so? The OED editors can decide the earliest date of use by giving qutations, so can those of the SOED. I used to look up SOED for dates of entries of different senses of words, but found a bit disappointing when I bought the new editions of SOED in 1993 and 2002 since I expected it was like previous ones. It’s not easy to get access to the OED both online and paper editions, the SOED is a real alternative while Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate and Random House Webster’s Unabridged can’t provide a date or date range for different senses. Antedating is encouraged, but it shouldn’t be an excuse for avioding false precision. If antedating is needed for some words or senses, just do it, no matter M20 or E20.

]]> By: dictionary » Extending the History of Words: The Case of “Ms.” http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/antedating/comment-page-1/#comment-54624 dictionary » Extending the History of Words: The Case of “Ms.” Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:31:41 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/10/extending_the_history_of_words_the_case_of_ms/#comment-54624 [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...] [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]

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