Comments on: The ABC’s of GBS: Part 1 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/ Academic insights for the thinking world. Fri, 24 May 2013 00:55:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The ABC's of GBS: Part 3Google Library, The Lawsuits, and Is Charkin Barking Up the Right Tree? : OUPblog http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-10216 The ABC's of GBS: Part 3Google Library, The Lawsuits, and Is Charkin Barking Up the Right Tree? : OUPblog Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:30:41 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-10216 [...] 20% of a book for the purpose of making it “discoverable” in Google’s search engine. See The ABC’s of GBS, Part 1 for a complete [...] [...] 20% of a book for the purpose of making it “discoverable” in Google’s search engine. See The ABC’s of GBS, Part 1 for a complete [...]

]]> By: booktwo.org » Notebook » Stop Press for April 6th through April 20th http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-2117 booktwo.org » Notebook » Stop Press for April 6th through April 20th Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:34:55 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-2117 [...] The ABCâs of GBS: Part 1 – The OUP Blog talks about a more positive attitude to Google Book Search – helping people find what they want, and selling more books. [...]

]]> By: The ABC’s of GBS: Part 2 Got Discoverability? Now what? : OUPblog http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-1938 The ABC’s of GBS: Part 2 Got Discoverability? Now what? : OUPblog Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:08:26 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-1938 [...] Currently, Google (and Microsoft with its Live Book search) have full book contents on their servers which are indexed for the purpose of discoverability (See the ABC’s of GBS – Part 1) [...] [...] Currently, Google (and Microsoft with its Live Book search) have full book contents on their servers which are indexed for the purpose of discoverability (See the ABC’s of GBS – Part 1) [...]

]]> By: Facing The Digital Reality : OUPblog http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-1738 Facing The Digital Reality : OUPblog Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:06:43 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-1738 [...] read more of what Schnittman has to say read his OUPblog posts, (The ABC’s of GBS and Playing Nice With Google) and come back later this week for the next installment of his column. [...] [...] read more of what Schnittman has to say read his OUPblog posts, (The ABC’s of GBS and Playing Nice With Google) and come back later this week for the next installment of his column. [...]

]]> By: Stephen Cole http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-912 Stephen Cole Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:52:50 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-912 Evan, I have to congratulate you. In this brief piece you've managed to do what Google has patently failed to do -- you've made their various book initiatives (and their rationales) clearly comprehensible. Next time someone wants me to explain what's going on with Google and books I'll give them this link. Stephen Evan, I have to congratulate you. In this brief piece you’ve managed to do what Google has patently failed to do — you’ve made their various book initiatives (and their rationales) clearly comprehensible. Next time someone wants me to explain what’s going on with Google and books I’ll give them this link.

Stephen

]]> By: Grant Barrett http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-720 Grant Barrett Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:47:57 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-720 Well, yes, our comments are relevant. It is the same interface, is it not? The same scanning, the same OCR, the same presentation? All your work comes to naught if presentation by Google makes it difficult to use, publisher-sanctioned or not. Well, yes, our comments are relevant. It is the same interface, is it not? The same scanning, the same OCR, the same presentation? All your work comes to naught if presentation by Google makes it difficult to use, publisher-sanctioned or not.

]]> By: Rebecca http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-639 Rebecca Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:14:58 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-639 <strong>Evan Schnittman says:</strong> The purpose of posting this series on Search Engines and Book publishing is to share our understanding of the programs and explain how they work in the macro sense. The comments made by Language Hat and Grant Barrett refer to either Google Library or Google Scholar – both programs cited in the piece as not being covered – “…not to be confused with Google Library (not publisher-sanctioned) or Google Scholar (journals focused) or even the newly named initiative, Google Print (Print ad space sales for magazines).” That said, we will be covering Google Library in a later posting, but again, from a macro view and not in the kind of detail of these comments. <strong>Rebecca says:</strong> While we may not be addressing these projects on a micro leval we encourage you to keep discussing and asking questions. We will answer as many as we can. After all, we don't have all the answers. Evan Schnittman says: The purpose of posting this series on Search Engines and Book publishing is to share our understanding of the programs and explain how they work in the macro sense. The comments made by Language Hat and Grant Barrett refer to either Google Library or Google Scholar – both programs cited in the piece as not being covered – “…not to be confused with Google Library (not publisher-sanctioned) or Google Scholar (journals focused) or even the newly named initiative, Google Print (Print ad space sales for magazines).” That said, we will be covering Google Library in a later posting, but again, from a macro view and not in the kind of detail of these comments.
Rebecca says: While we may not be addressing these projects on a micro leval we encourage you to keep discussing and asking questions. We will answer as many as we can. After all, we don’t have all the answers.

]]> By: Grant Barrett http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-478 Grant Barrett Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:07:06 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-478 Seconding Language Hat, I'd hope that you'd also include discussions of reliability. As Ben Zimmer has <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004343.html#more" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a>, long runs of periodicals (mostly journals) are often listed under the date of the first issue of the run. Which means that a periodical run that started in 1931 will have that date for every issue for decades. Here's an example for <a href="http://books.google.com/books?vid=0JUVSHaG_RFyfjJHnEYhJBu&id=SuASAAAAIAAJ&q=%22dialect+notes%22&dq=%22dialect+notes%22&pgis=1" rel="nofollow">Dialect Notes</a>, where the official information in the upper left shows 1896 but you can plainly see in the snippet view dates of 1928 and 1930. Surely fair use would permit Google to display the copyright pages of each issue. Further, Google has included many works that are clearly no longer under copyright, yet which cannot be viewed in full text. Some of the out-of-copyright works <i>are</i> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?vid=0DVCGTPQj33Uk9OTqYCs21f&id=G3QKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22american+dialect+society%22#PPA2,M1" rel="nofollow">full text</a>, but many are not. Even more, there seems to be no facility for submitting corrections. Such as, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?vid=007V-EJVhL0TLlUX7sYefg9&id=9t8SAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22dialect+notes%22" rel="nofollow">what the hell is this</a>? And <a href="http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC53025221&id=cd8SAAAAIAAJ&q=%22american+dialect+society%22&dq=%22american+dialect+society%22&pgis=1" rel="nofollow">this</a>? "By American Dialect Society, New York (State). Committee for the Adoption of the Constitution, New York (State)"? Finally for now, but by no means is this the end of my carping, I'm a vice president of the American Dialect Society who's been authorized by our executive board to grant Google permission to put all issues of our former journal <i>Dialect Notes</i>—even those still ostensibly in copyright—in full text view on Google Print. Google wants me to sign up as a "partner" to submit my existing books. Yet all of our titles are already scanned and included by various libraries and I see no facility for picking these books out and saying, "We hereby authorize full-text view." Further, even if I wanted to submit them myself, all the issues of the journal predate ISBNs, and, therefore, could not be submitted anyway. Seconding Language Hat, I’d hope that you’d also include discussions of reliability. As Ben Zimmer has pointed out, long runs of periodicals (mostly journals) are often listed under the date of the first issue of the run. Which means that a periodical run that started in 1931 will have that date for every issue for decades. Here’s an example for Dialect Notes, where the official information in the upper left shows 1896 but you can plainly see in the snippet view dates of 1928 and 1930. Surely fair use would permit Google to display the copyright pages of each issue.

Further, Google has included many works that are clearly no longer under copyright, yet which cannot be viewed in full text. Some of the out-of-copyright works are full text, but many are not.

Even more, there seems to be no facility for submitting corrections. Such as, what the hell is this? And this? “By American Dialect Society, New York (State). Committee for the Adoption of the Constitution, New York (State)”?

Finally for now, but by no means is this the end of my carping, I’m a vice president of the American Dialect Society who’s been authorized by our executive board to grant Google permission to put all issues of our former journal Dialect Notes—even those still ostensibly in copyright—in full text view on Google Print. Google wants me to sign up as a “partner” to submit my existing books. Yet all of our titles are already scanned and included by various libraries and I see no facility for picking these books out and saying, “We hereby authorize full-text view.” Further, even if I wanted to submit them myself, all the issues of the journal predate ISBNs, and, therefore, could not be submitted anyway.

]]> By: language hat http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_search/#comment-468 language hat Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:59:53 +0000 http://blog.oup.com/2007/03/google_book_sea/#comment-468 I trust one of the articles will deal with the extremely annoying and unhelpful "snippet view," which often enough does not even contain the term searched for. I trust one of the articles will deal with the extremely annoying and unhelpful “snippet view,” which often enough does not even contain the term searched for.

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